I'm a complete IT rookie... I think I just use the roundcube that was provided by my host. It's possible I downloaded it a long time ago and I don't remember... but I'm pretty sure it was just from my host. Feel free to talk to me like a child (or better yet a 60 year old man) when it comes to servers, smtp, sasl etc... I have 1 or 2 talents however technology isn't one of them. Thanks SO much for responding. It's GREATLY appreciated.